i want to go to michael shure in san francisco. what's your take on the evening? >> john, i think it was a real victory for the president in that he was the only one here who had a mission. going to this debate, he had an assignment in this debate which was to undo what he had done the last time. mission accomplished on that score. on both style and substance, he brought it tonight. that's what was prescribed of him. i agree, i was going to say what david said about women. i was surprised with all of the talk of women that we did not hear more about women. we did hear about immigration for the first time in a debate. we did hear about guns. if only briefly and i think the president really won that debate because romney began to wander on that. i understand eliot doesn't believe that it was a big a victory for the president. >> nor do i michael. >> when you think about candy crowley and how they're talking about her right now the winning team is rarely the team that complains about the refereeing. >> exactly. that was what the question i was bringing up to this dis